A basement repair that went sideways. How do you fix it? Tune in to find out - Around the House® Home Improvement

Episode 1266

A basement repair that went sideways. How do you fix it? Tune in to find out

Bad things can happen to good people. Good contractors that have outdated technology in doing repairs can end up looking like a bad contractor when they dont take continuing education and update how they do business seriously.

This project has gone sideways. The contractor that didnt deal with concrete dust in a basement that looks like the violated the Table 1 silica dust rules and there will be a big cleaning bill in this house.

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[00:00:39] Eric Goranson: Cause we know that's jam packed as well. Hello

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[00:00:46] Eric Goranson: seems like a while. It's just been a monster. It

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[00:00:57] Eric Goranson: we are. Yeah. You were hung [00:01:00] over from those parties. Oh, wait a minute.

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[00:01:29] Eric Goranson: And that's looking forward to that one, but, uh, between all, all of that stuff, it's been crazy busy, but, uh, CES was fun. Yes. The

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[00:01:49] Caroline Blazovsky: I mean, they have cars, they have. Uh, gadgets, refrigerators, kitchen supplies, phones. I mean, it's, I don't know. I think it's the show. I like it. Cause I'm a techie. [00:02:00]

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[00:02:15] Eric Goranson: I mean, we're not going to talk about it in this weekend show. We're good. We are going to talk about some cool stuff, which we're not going to talk about right now. That's coming out for our homes, but just seeing everything from the new, new stuff, with technology, for the self-driving cars and you know, all the latest, crazy stuff that you're seeing out there.

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[00:02:40] Caroline Blazovsky: have to say, I love the Silverado Evy, that's the new, their new electronic girl electric truck by general motors. I mean, this thing is kick ass, kick ass. I can say it's it's the podcast. We don't care to say that. That thing looks bad-ass.

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[00:03:03] Eric Goranson: You know, I have owned a boatload of Chevy trucks, you know, I've had my share of them. I've had geez, two of the Tahoe. Um, I've had, um, cheese and avalanche truck. I've had a, you know, a square box when I'm at a lot of different trucks, but, uh, yeah, I mean, out of the two and I want to will in the future, let's, uh, I've been talking to Nick miles, my buddy, over at our auto expert.

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[00:03:53] Eric Goranson: And we'll talk about that a little bit on Saturday, but I just want to make sure that it's got the towing. It's got the things [00:04:00] that I need to use a truck for. Right.

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[00:04:16] Caroline Blazovsky: Yeah.

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[00:04:42] Caroline Blazovsky: tailgates to carry and tow my friend, Carrie.

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[00:04:47] Eric Goranson: you got it. AC Blue's cold. That's all I need. Right. That's all I need. And the one thing that I will say that we'll talk about on Saturday that. Really game changing is the home connectivity Alliance. [00:05:00] Don't give too much away.

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[00:05:06] Caroline Blazovsky: But if you're into innovation in your home and connecting your appliances to work with other gadgets in your home, you have to listen to the show cause it's going to change your whole world.

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[00:05:24] Eric Goranson: Thermometer that's built inside of your TV and it'll be able to take all these different temperatures around your house to be able to see what the temperature really is inside of your house and so on and so forth. So there's a lot of new stuff that's going to be coming out there with a whole lot of cools off.

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[00:05:52] Caroline Blazovsky: home disaster. We really need to have just a, like, I don't know what we call it on the show, like a disaster corner and talk about all the [00:06:00] problems that just go out and I'm laughing.

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[00:06:05] Eric Goranson: This one, this one went bad. I mean, and, and in theory they hired the right people, but I don't know if they didn't send out, uh, the right people or what happened out here. But this thing is a hot mess and I'm not impressed with what they've done so far with it.

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[00:06:33] Caroline Blazovsky: they were putting in my client was putting in a basement system with French drains and a some pimp, which isn't, you know, anything intricate. I mean, people do it all the time. And so from talking to other contractors recently, and especially calls I had today, there is really a problem with COVID causing staffing issues.

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[00:07:11] Caroline Blazovsky: I mean, the system just the basement was a beautiful home. It's like a 3,500 square foot home out on the island in long island. And beautiful in the basement looks just like a wreck. Completely destroyed it. Yeah.

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[00:07:31] Eric Goranson: There's a great way to be able to eliminate that pressure. So it doesn't come up between the, the area between the walls of the foundation and the floor of your basement, because you can't go through and just like push cocking or something in there because it'll never see lot. There's not a product out there.

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[00:08:18] Eric Goranson: Around the perimeter of that wall and dig it out, put in a French drain system in there. So you've got up a corrugated hole in there, you know, in the pipe. So you've got that drain pipe. So you put gravel in, you put the, the encapsulated, uh, pipe in there that can pull water out of the soil, more gravel on top, and then you pour concrete over the top of this, but when you prep it, you go around and pull.

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[00:09:07] Eric Goranson: Ragged broken up concrete. Yeah. Edge. That every time you turn a corner, you've broken the corners off at the concrete was

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[00:09:26] Caroline Blazovsky: They sort of did this weird angular, jagged edge that went around their whole side of the basement around their utilities. I mean, it looked really, the cutting looked bad. It looked like Eric and I went in there. Imagine if you're cutting a wrapping paper and you cut it jagged, right. Instead of the nice, smooth edge, that's how it looked with the concrete, like a mess.

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[00:10:14] Eric Goranson: So they left

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[00:10:29] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And it's not like I've talked to these guys, but I'm sure the excuse comes out as well.

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[00:10:49] Eric Goranson: That's not how you do it. You do a finished job. You go in there. And put a nice floor, you know, maybe if that was how that was going to be, what I've done in the past is [00:11:00] I've put in those U shaped troughs that have a metal grade in them, like you have in a driveway or something like that. And then if there's water coming to that boiler, someone's going to service it.

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[00:11:16] Caroline Blazovsky: we were moisture and water vapor. You know, when you leave that gap around the perimeter, you're allowing this water vapor to constantly come up into the space that you don't want there. The whole reason you're doing this is to remove moisture, not let it back in, and

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[00:11:36] Eric Goranson: Here's why you have to be very careful when you. If here's what I'm worried about. When I see contractors go in and do this, if you're not paying attention to it, those walls. Are held together at T at the top of the structure. They're not going to move around cause it's, it's attached to the foundation.

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[00:12:16] Eric Goranson: You know what I mean? But make sure that you've got things blocked correctly. Um, I've seen this done a number of ways, but long story short, make sure you're blocked. And that's why you always want to have an engineer look at it before you do it. But if you leave that gap in there now you've given a place for those walls to creep in and kick in and compress.

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[00:12:47] Caroline Blazovsky: else's in Huntington bay. This is in Huntington, New York. So you're on the water, you know, or, or close, real close perimeter the water. So you're going to have a high water table, which is not a good thing to be cutting your concrete.

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[00:13:18] Caroline Blazovsky: They had a forced hot air system. So they all have it gotten the duct work it's blowing upstairs. And they've got someone in the house who has medical condition. So with that, now we've got to do silica dust testing to see if they exceeded OSHA standard, which could be, um, another violation and not a good one for the country.

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[00:14:00] Eric Goranson: Not make dust when they were using. So just

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[00:14:17] Caroline Blazovsky: Right. So we're measuring how much dust is there? Um, in micrograms per cubic. Yeah. And to see, okay, are they exceeding the standard? And that in this case, we're going to use that to help, you know, obviously the contractors got to make good on this project on many, on many fronts. So hopefully these are all reasons they're going to come in there and make the client happy, but we'll see what happens.

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[00:15:00] Eric Goranson: Why don't you do it this week? I'm going to be in Mexico on vacation. This was a couple of years ago pre COVID and he's like, oh, we're good. Yeah. Just come on out and do it. Then I won't be home. You know, she got free reign of, we won't be around to, you know, be under foot. So go ahead and come up. He comes back.

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[00:15:39] Eric Goranson: About 10:00 AM. The inspector from OSHA shows up out there and goes, Hey, so many complaints. About the dust? Well, he had already blown it off. His cars had already kind of cleaned it up. Got it. Taken care of. And. My buddy's like, wow, geesh. I had no idea. I [00:16:00] was out of town. I just came back from Mexico. And luckily, um, there were no fines put there, but if that inspector would have shown up, if it would've been a weekday, when he got called, because he got called on a Friday afternoon and couldn't get out to the job site fast enough til Monday, if that had been a Monday phone call and they showed up out there and the guy was up there working and had a grinder in his hand and there's dust everywhere.

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[00:16:28] Caroline Blazovsky: problem that happens at schools too. Like, um, there's a coding, you know, where you can put, um, the cool surface over a pool, right? So it doesn't get too hot on your. And, you know, I've seen them go badly where they just start to bubble up and it happens sometimes because of climate sometimes, you know, moisture what's on the ground and they have to come in and chisel that off and it can be like a mess and they really don't take precautions when they do that.

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[00:16:58] Eric Goranson: Oh, absolutely. [00:17:00] Uh, and that's where the problem is. You gotta get in there. If you've got any of that concrete dust, which you would with that, you have to have that happen. Yeah.

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[00:17:16] Caroline Blazovsky: They don't do it. And unfortunately it gets

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[00:17:32] Eric Goranson: There's another silica dusty board. So that's another one we've gotta be causes some important, same thing. Yep. Same kind of thing with cement board. There's a lot of those things. I mean, I still see it sometimes outside I'll drive by a construction site where they're doing railroad. It does everywhere.

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[00:18:05] Caroline Blazovsky: To see if you have too much silica dust. And you know, if you do, then you can talk to your contractor.

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[00:18:34] Eric Goranson: And so that way, when you're using the, the, the Jack hammer, the drill. The saw, you know, SaaS are easy, cause you can run water. That's great. You know, and just get it cleaned up and you're good, but that's one of those things you just gotta be really careful. I want to do it for

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[00:18:57] Caroline Blazovsky: So

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[00:19:22] Eric Goranson: Stone Corps.

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[00:19:34] Eric Goranson: more well it's, it's the luxury it's called. It's called luxury vinyl plank. And so LVP and that LVP. Is it usually a plank, a look that looks either like Tyler would 90% of it looks like wood and it's waterproof.

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[00:20:11] Eric Goranson: And let's say you're a contractor you're going to jam through and tick on this project. Okay. I'm remodeling this house and you have followed all of the silica dust rules when you are working in the basement or anything else. And then somebody comes in and does an inspection on this and there's silica dust everywhere.

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[00:20:42] Caroline Blazovsky: circumstance, they did shut off the furnace and the, um, HVAC system when they were doing it.

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[00:20:55] Eric Goranson: Yeah. But it's still gets everywhere. It's like sheet rock dust. Once it gets out, it's just, [00:21:00] it's just everywhere. And so even though it's not in the ducks, probably as bad.

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[00:21:21] Caroline Blazovsky: we're talking about it.

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[00:21:26] Eric Goranson: your throat gets dry and you want a cough

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[00:21:34] Eric Goranson: See, there you go. Anyway, that's one of those things you gotta be really careful as a homeowner, just to make sure that you don't have people making dumb mistakes around there that can, you know, be hazardous. Nobody wants that around their house. Anyway. So coming up on Saturday, we have a killer show ahead.

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[00:22:03] Caroline Blazovsky: I don't even want to talk about this. Friend's sister lost her life. Sorry to bring up bad news. But she, she actually, her car was flooded and she was killed during the floods.

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[00:22:30] Caroline Blazovsky: So my grandfather told my grandpa my great grandfather to my grandfather told my dad, you know, and then they tell you, okay, you know, So, you know, just because somebody tells you to do something, doesn't mean you're doing it right all the time. So Eric sets us straight.

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[00:22:46] Eric Goranson: We got a strainer and you learned a little bit, you know, it's no different than when you started talking to healthy home stuff. What do you mean? I shouldn't be using that and you know, that's happening

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[00:23:06] Eric Goranson: yeah. Put it on my reason brand in the morning.

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[00:23:40] Eric Goranson: To this new show called a homework. So we'll see what happens. I think there's a lot less, a lot more to see on that, to see what the whole story is, but, uh, seems like they've got a mass in the little bit of research that I did showed that, uh, it might've been that there was a food network production company trying there they're swinging home [00:24:00] improvement for the first time, which can be, uh, a hard learning lesson

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[00:24:06] Caroline Blazovsky: I wasn't following this. I was following Antonio brown, holding. Podcast sign, which Eric, Eric. So, so cleverly constructed Antonio brown in the end zone of MetLife stadium at a New York jets game. Last, the last game, holding up us as our podcast advertisement and his little ramp before he left the stadium, he was just trying to help.

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[00:24:35] Eric Goranson: So DIY net DIY network here this last week changed from DIY network to Magnolia network, you know, the chip and Joanna Gaines empire. So that rebranded to that. And so they've been putting on shows that, that they liked shows that, uh, kind of fit into their demographic.

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[00:25:12] Eric Goranson: But this new show debuted on Magnolia network ran a bunch of the shows on it. And all of a sudden, you know, the shows looked good at first glance from everybody. And then. You know, angry homeowners popped out that said, oh, this was a nightmare. And remodelings there's allegations called home homework, homework.

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[00:25:58] Eric Goranson: And there's a lot [00:26:00] of interesting problems that happened out of, of, of where that is. And it's interesting. Cause you don't usually see that with these shows too much because one they've usually got a non-disclosure agreement before they start that, uh, things go badly. You're not going to go air it out in two.

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[00:26:27] Caroline Blazovsky: what happens. Oh, unless it's a bunch of good drama to help drum up the show I can happen to,

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[00:26:37] Eric Goranson: After these people came out, pulled down the show off the network, pulled it off the website. I had to dig and dig and dig just to see who the production company was because they did a dang good job of scrubbing this show off the internet, Eric.

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[00:27:04] Caroline Blazovsky: Right. But it's all good because no matter what PR you get, it's helping to build your brand, your media. You know, we do things we mess up.

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[00:27:14] Caroline Blazovsky: So this sounds like a real bad, this was a, this is one of those non, you know, a Jeffrey Epstein. You don't want to be in this condition if they're taking it down.

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[00:27:44] Eric Goranson: Well, let's wrap this up, Caroline. I'm Eric, Jean Caroline. And you've been listening to around the house.[00:28:00]

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