Best of Design and Construction Week 2023: Ventilation with Broan Nutone

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[00:00:21] Eric Goranson: That has to be a hood that vents outside. I can still go into a home

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[00:00:39] Dave Jones: Make sure you're changing that filter, make sure you're treating that right, but then find another way to ventilate the house. When it comes to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to know, but we've got you covered. This is Around the House. Hey guys, Eric G with Around

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[00:01:00] Eric Goranson: Now let's go. out with Dave from Bro New Tone. We'll be back next week with a brand new show.

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[00:01:09] Eric Goranson: to the round the house show. This is where we talk about everything about your home every single week. Thanks for joining us today. I am still down here in Las Vegas at the design and construction week.

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[00:01:34] Eric Goranson: I'm sitting here in the bro. New toe booth where we are going to talk about ventilation today and so much more stuff. Dave, welcome back to around the house, my friend. Thanks. Thanks for having me. I'm glad to

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[00:01:45] Eric Goranson: again are changing the rules of ventilation

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[00:01:49] Dave Jones: Uh, yeah. Innovations are our game this year. I think it's incredible what, what we've been able to come up with and just the advances and changes. I mean, we're. We're all talking about it, right? It's been in the news for years now, and, I mean, just the [00:02:00] other day, we had another big news splash, and you can be on any side of the fence on that you want to, but, holy cow, like, it's everywhere.

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[00:02:06] Eric Goranson: unpack it. We're just gonna dive in. Let's go, we're just going in knee deep here. You know, the gas range ban, and I'm using air quotes that nobody can see right now, is one of those things that, um, really got me fired up, because I'm like, okay, and you probably feel the same way, but I look at it and go, We have a ventilation issue.

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[00:02:36] Dave Jones: else that's coming up in your area. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I mean, anything you cook on your gas range, on your electric range, you could have a wood burning range.

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[00:03:01] Dave Jones: So we don't care. Use whatever range you like, wherever you're at, keep it, use it, right? We love it. Think

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[00:03:20] Eric Goranson: Oh, these VOCs smell so amazing and the VOCs

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[00:03:37] Dave Jones: The um, anyway, brilliant guy and he now we're talking about it. And he said, yeah, good smells, bad smells. It doesn't matter. A smell is a sign that there's something in your air that shouldn't be there. So yes, baking cookies, like please, I want it, but no, that like, that's not good. If you've got little kids, like they're breathing these fumes, like this.

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[00:04:00] Eric Goranson: I mean, if they're in front of you, you smell them on the spot, right?

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[00:04:04] Eric Goranson: you know, that's the thing. And it's, it's such a misconception out there.

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[00:04:17] Dave Jones: goes outside the building.

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[00:04:24] Eric Goranson: That has to be a hood that vents outside. I could still go into a home center. Yep.

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[00:04:32] Eric Goranson: I'm going to give you a recirculating one. And I'm like, you know, a recirculating hood is about as smart as a recirculating toilet.

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[00:04:53] Dave Jones: A hood that ventilates out. I get it. Sometimes you can't do it. Make sure you have something else. Run your bath fan, right? We don't think about that [00:05:00] small apartment, like usually a small apartment is not going to have a vented range hood. It's going to have. circulating, but run your bath and that's going to be ventilated out.

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[00:05:19] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. And bath fans are a great example of that because I use them ventilation in my house.

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[00:05:43] Eric Goranson: Nice. Which is really cool for the dogs, except I just closed up my makeup bear. You sure did. So.

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[00:05:50] Eric Goranson: That's

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[00:06:00] Eric Goranson: Right now, I haven't done that yet, so I'm not sure yet. Where are you going to dump it? Um, good question. Okay. You know, I have, uh, my, my HVAC system, which is a gas furnace electric AC. Okay. That is in the garage, but it's really close to the exterior, so I can come in, hook into that system there. Okay. All right.

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[00:06:19] Dave Jones: house I can hide it. Yeah, there's a lot. We've, we've had a lot of conversations around that. It seems to be another one of those topics that no one wants to talk about because it's scary. Where do you put, where you put unconditioned air, you know, which is what you're doing.

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[00:06:36] Eric Goranson: with it. And then my house is even more so because I have a 1200 CFM max put in there. So, you know, that's 1200 basketballs growing out the building.

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[00:06:49] Dave Jones: from? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily

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[00:07:04] Dave Jones: or something like that.

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[00:07:16] Eric Goranson: let's talk about ER vs for a minute. Okay. 'cause my biggest problem that I had with them, and one, I hadn't really designed it out yet.

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[00:07:42] Eric Goranson: Yeah. No, I totally get it. Me turning it back on again is going to be the worst

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[00:07:56] Dave Jones: And in fact, maybe I, maybe I can announce this now. Sure. [00:08:00] We're, uh, we won today at iBiz. We won the, um, best indoor product of the entire show for our Overture system, which manages this problem. So let's jump into that. Let's jump into that. All right. All right. Okay. So Overture. It's an automated indoor air quality system.

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[00:08:29] Dave Jones: They're probably here and they make cool products that tell you what's going on. And then they tell you, okay, great. Go open your window. But you just told me your problem was there's a forest fire outside. Yeah. I'm not opening my window. So what was your, what's your solution for that? So what we've done is we've designed the system to work with our.

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[00:09:06] Dave Jones: And then it'll bring that fresh air in when the air quality is better. Yeah. Cause I'll pull up on

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[00:09:21] Dave Jones: Well, and we're not smart enough. Let's be real. Like I am because I work at a company that does air quality. The average consumer, the average homeowner out there doesn't know. My wife doesn't know when to turn on the bath fan half the time or the range should always let me be clear. Always. Every time you're in there, turn it on, leave it run for 20 minutes when you're done cooking or in the shower, whatever it is.

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[00:09:53] Dave Jones: We'll

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[00:10:09] Dave Jones: What's up? This is Dixie Dania. And Satchel from Steel Panther. You are listening to around the house with Eric G. We love Eric G and you should too.

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[00:10:43] Eric Goranson: Not to turn it on. See, that's what I've been waiting for because I have the boxes of Overture sitting at my desk at home. I just gotta have that fresh air system to be able to hook that up and make sense. Yeah. And then that will also work with bath fans and stuff too. Yeah,

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[00:10:58] Dave Jones: right? I know you've got some kids [00:11:00] that are that are older and probably, you know, out of high school and you probably spent a lot of time in the shower in high school and never turn the bath fan on. And some people like that, right? I know you've got a steam shower. That's great. Like it's a what a good feeling to just kind of have that warmth envelop you and you just feel really good.

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[00:11:13] Eric Goranson: that moisture go? Right? And well, two things with that. So last year at this show on the way home, we stayed a couple days late in, in, uh, Orlando. What do we bring home? Julie and I bring home COVID from that. Yeah, of course. Of course. Cause we're down with 75 of our closest friends and a trade show.

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[00:11:44] Eric Goranson: Oh cool. Oh, that's automatic. Yeah, so I jump out of the shower, I hit the timer for 20, 40, 60, like 120 or whatever on it. And it has 12 air jets that dry it out. But, where does that moisture go? It leaves that envelope. Now it's in

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[00:12:04] Dave Jones: In that scenario, if it's pushing it out, I mean, you could have it in a room adjacent or next door or whatever it is, right? Just make sure you're ventilating. You know that, right? But not everybody thinks about it, right? We love that feeling. The fog mirror means like, oh, it was warm and it was nice. But man, that's causing black mold to grow in your walls.

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[00:12:31] Eric Goranson: serious. Well, so what I did on my showers, I designed it.

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[00:12:42] Dave Jones: right out of there. Oh, actually, you know what you should put a, you should put overture in and you should put a humidity sensing fan in. Yes. Cause it will automatically sense right there at its location.

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[00:12:58] Eric Goranson: option for yeah Because if [00:13:00] that fans working if the if that steam up there and that humidity, right? Yep If I have it over in the wall where it comes in right that I have to bring a lot of humidity in for that at That location to go.

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[00:13:13] Dave Jones: boom We call it spot ventilation, right? A range hood, a bath fan, a spot ventilation. And we got another story on that one. Uh, I've got a daughter that's a year and a half old. So we have a diaper pail, right? Which is awful and terrible and smelly. Um, so spot ventilation isn't just for bathrooms.

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[00:13:52] Dave Jones: You wouldn't want the traditional bath fan look. I get it. It's just not sexy, right? It's not sexy at all, right? Unless you've got one of those old chrome ones that you were talking about in your, [00:14:00] you know, 1970s. I love it. Anyway, anyway, that recessed light is a really cool option for rooms like a nursery or even a bedroom.

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[00:14:10] Eric Goranson: kids bedroom, the teenagers bedroom. Oh, my gosh. I'm not ready. I know you're not ready, For all you teenagers out there, parents, this could go in and you walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, it smells like a, an old gym in here.

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[00:14:24] Dave Jones: it. You can ventilate it. Yeah. You can get rid of all of those odors, that grossness. Yeah, absolutely. We had a colleague on our team that, uh, has two sons that play hockey and I don't know if you know anything about hockey pads and hockey gear, but that is, it is a sponge.

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[00:14:40] Dave Jones: sponge. Horrible. Yeah. So they've done the same thing and put in their mudroom. They actually put our, um, surface shield product, which is a bath fan that has a light in it, an LED light that kills mold, mildew, viruses, bacteria, yeast, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's not UV, so it's not going to harm anything.

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[00:15:12] Dave Jones: We're thinking about other rooms. and ways to hide it. Ways to look at it. I got to show you a picture

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[00:15:28] Eric Goranson: And I'm going to show you this picture, brand new house. And these are the glass garage doors and it's a dry day.

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[00:15:39] Eric Goranson: there is water running down the inside of all of those glass doors. I'm

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[00:15:45] Eric Goranson: to happen. No. Yeah.

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[00:16:04] Eric Goranson: Sure. And you've got a support. And they don't even have a car in it yet from the rain. And that's an empty

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[00:16:15] Eric Goranson: finished. All right. So it's holding in. But it can't be conditioned because it'd be in a garage, right?

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[00:16:38] Eric Goranson: You pull in with the wet car. Yep. You've got this super tight garage insulated garage door. It's a lot of moisture. Moisture. And guess what? It has to go someplace and it's going to go mold and all of your boxes and everything else you've got stored.

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[00:16:56] Dave Jones: You open that garage door and all that moisture and all that mold and whatever it is [00:17:00] floating in the air is floating right into your kitchen or whatever it is. It's attached to your, to your

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[00:17:10] Dave Jones: move.

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[00:17:25] Dave Jones: So we have a way to mechanically ventilate and then we've got like in wall or through wall fans that really helped ventilate that we've got a guy on our team, his uncle lives in a town, not near where we're not too far from where we're headquarters. Uh, and it gets cold. It was minus seven Fahrenheit when I left on Tuesday to come here, uh, so it feels warm here even though it's in the thirties, uh, but anyway, he had the same issue.

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[00:18:05] Dave Jones: So he was like, so my friend that, uh, my colleague, um, is our product manager for that line, and he was like, I have a solution. Yeah. He was like, why don't, why aren't we doing this in garages? So we tested all of our stuff. We went out out east and did the salt test and whatever it is. And, you know, did the whole thing.

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[00:18:30] Eric Goranson: Oh, Caroline and I, when we did our first video thing, when we're her and I were when she was on the show, of course, she looked in the background and goes, Why do you have all those things in your garage?

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[00:18:47] Dave Jones: Don't go anywhere.

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[00:19:00] Eric Goranson: Keel, the Metal Cowboy from Keel, the Ron Keel

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[00:19:11] Eric Goranson: back to the round the house show where I help you get the most out of your home through information and education. I'm Eric G. Well, we've been talking with Dave Jones from Brown Newton.

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[00:19:34] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Yeah. You know, now they're outside in the, in my carport on the shelf, but it was one of those things that it was like,

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[00:19:45] Eric Goranson: want to freeze. I'm going to keep it in there. So it's a little warmer, totally.

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[00:19:51] Dave Jones: VOC. We need to think about it. Cause like I said, it comes, it comes right in. You open that door, it comes right in. Right. So we got to think about that. So yes, ventilating a garage, I think is a really cool [00:20:00] idea. And then, like I said, get that, get that ERB, get that fresh air system in.

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[00:20:20] Dave Jones: there's anywhere that it can come out or in, right? If you don't have a fully sealed passive home boy, someday, I hope. Yeah.

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[00:20:38] Eric Goranson: It's literally, you know, I got, what's my, uh, weather resistant barrier, 30

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[00:20:47] Eric Goranson: But those are those things that people don't think about. And you don't want to pull out next year's Christmas stuff or holiday stuff. And all of a sudden you're like, wow, this, uh, this white thing that goes around the bottom of the tree.

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[00:21:06] Dave Jones: can't see a lot of these contaminants. No, you totally can't. Oh man. You bring up a good point. Uh, basements. Oh, yes. So, uh, dehumidifiers, right. And then making sure you've got fresh air in your basement.

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[00:21:36] Dave Jones: You could have water leaking in. I've got the mineral crystals growing on one of my walls. Previous owners put in a nice patio and did not pitch it far enough. So I've got some water coming down. And so I've got a dehumidifier. Well, we've got humidifiers as well that do whole home. And, um, I think your point about sort of those yellowing and black spots and mold growing on Christmas decorations, I literally had that issue and I had to put in a dehumidifier myself for [00:22:00] my house because I was having problems with moisture.

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[00:22:03] Eric Goranson: tell you how many times I was working for a while there helping out an advertiser years ago. On the show. And, uh, they had, uh, a basement, you know, foundation company. So they did basement waterproofing and stuff like that. I can't tell you how many places I went into. Maybe it was a lawyer's office and they had the basement of the 1920s house.

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[00:22:38] Eric Goranson: out. Why is the water coming in? Right. But it was the same kind of thing. That was a humidity issue because it was even across the entire wall front to

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[00:22:54] Dave Jones: The ground is wet all the time, right? Unless you live in the desert and even then there's still moisture down there. So I think it

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[00:23:04] Dave Jones: issue that you're not aware of. Oh yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent.

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[00:23:28] Dave Jones: It just goes right into your two by four like construction and you've got humidification. We, um, uh, my colleague, uh, my colleague, Travis, wow. I got to talk today, uh, is all that stuff. And he and I were talking and he said, Hey, do you know what shoulder season is? I said, I don't know what you're talking about.

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[00:24:02] Dave Jones: It's the temperatures are perfect, but a lot of humidity in those seasons, that whole, whole dehumidifier will fix that problem. And I think it brings There's a point too that I learned this year, this last year, uh, your air conditioner does not, is not a dehumidifier. No, it's not its job. No, but we think it is because that's what we use it for.

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[00:24:33] Eric Goranson: It's 20 years, right? Right. Unless you're changing out for something more efficient, we won't get into that, but that's kind of that planned lifespan. You can double the life of that by controlling humidity. Cause you're taking that load off because it's trying to shed all that moisture and you've got now a less efficient system as it's

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[00:24:49] Dave Jones: Yeah, actually. And then you can right size your system. You don't need a big system. Well, oftentimes we're putting in or asking our builders or our contractors, why need a system that's three times bigger because I want it to manage my [00:25:00] moisture. Well, You had just put it in the humidifier, you'd manage your moisture, right?

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[00:25:19] Dave Jones: You've got a carrier. I'm sure you've got a carrier humidifier built onto that. I

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[00:25:33] Eric Goranson: Yeah.

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[00:25:35] Eric Goranson: and while you're running, I turn the power off to the bath fan and, uh, and, um, but here's the one thing I realized, this was my mistake because out in the hallway out there, I've got a really nice smoke detector, that smoke detector. I'm sitting there and I'd turn the steam on.

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[00:26:03] Eric Goranson: Good to know.

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[00:26:18] Dave Jones: It really is moisture in the air. That's making it feel good. You can have a 74 degree home with the right humidity, 40%, 40 foot, whatever, 50 percent and you'll feel great. And you could have it at 68. And 80 percent humidity and it's going to feel gross.

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[00:26:39] Eric Goranson: And you look at the thermostat, even a digital one and go, it's 70. Wow. Or you walk in and go, man, it's got a chill in here. And it's 70. Yep. And that's the exact

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[00:27:00] Dave Jones: It feels. Holder, uh, oftentimes in the winter, even though it's, it's not, I might even turn it up and it still feels colder. Yeah. Because my air is dry or too warm or whatever. It's too moist.

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[00:27:15] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And the easy way, here's my easy button on that. Just jump on it. Amazon, and pick up one of those weather stations where you have the inside and the outside one. Oh, sure. That have humidity. Yeah. Because you can go down and put that sensor in that corner of the garage. Yeah. Or that corner of the basement.

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[00:27:32] Dave Jones: I got a problem and see specifically in one area. Uh, overture is a good spot for that too. Just thinking about that. As you're saying that you can put an overture sensory in every corner of your house, every room of your house.

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[00:27:58] Dave Jones: Unless you see that, [00:28:00] uh, that sunlight shining through a window and you see the floaties, that's also a sign that you have bad indoor air quality. But if you see those floaties, that could be pet dander floating around, right? The sensors will pick that up and say, Hey, not only do you have a moisture problem, but you've got stuff floating your air.

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[00:28:20] Eric Goranson: Around the house. We'll be right back after these very important messages. Don't go anywhere.

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[00:29:05] Dave Jones: And I got a little daughter. She's only 18 months old now, a year and a half. I'm going to say a year and a half.

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[00:29:31] Dave Jones: Shout out to both those guys. Talk

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[00:29:39] Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Dude's a saint. He's doing so much to get the word out. I love it. They, they, uh, they do a ton of great PR work, a ton of work around that homes for our troops builds a ton of homes. They don't, they, they're silent.

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[00:30:05] Dave Jones: They don't remember. You know what, they got enough on their mind with medical stuff and

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[00:30:09] Dave Jones: not just make it the easy button, right? Make it easy, yeah, exactly. Ah, dude, thank you guys for doing that. Thanks. That's a huge deal.

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[00:30:16] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Cause that's, I'd love to see companies stepping up for those things because that's, that's what needs to

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[00:30:26] Eric Goranson: range hoods, that's why I didn't, as a kitchen designer for 30 years, I didn't like using micro hoods.

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[00:30:34] Dave Jones: don't ventilate well. Nope. You know, even if they do ventilate out, they don't cover enough of the range. You're missing the first two burners, which is the ones we use most often.

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[00:30:47] Eric Goranson: That's all you get. And there's no capture area to it. And they just don't work. And I have to lean across a hot stove to put something in. And if I'm carrying something like a bowl of soup, it's above my eyes. Many times for many people, I'm [00:31:00] tall, but you're tall, but still. Putting a, bringing a hot liquid out of a top shelf

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[00:31:06] Dave Jones: Not smart at all. No, I'm with you. How's it, uh, you got a 48 inch range. That's a pretty big microwave.

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[00:31:17] Dave Jones: very good point. Think about the ranges you have now in people's homes, right? If you're looking at yours now, make sure it comes out far enough that it's going to capture, right?

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[00:31:39] Dave Jones: I can't see it radon. We've got radon in our issue of the country. It's really bad. I have to have a system. So I had to, I come in and test. it right. That's one thing in your air. And we know that it causes cancer and other things. So do all the carcinogens that come off of our range when we're cooking, right?

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[00:32:04] Eric Goranson: that's the thing. This isn't like, oh, I've got to change my lifestyle, I've got to do this. It's not like your doctor going, hey, you've got to quit eating steaks every week or whatever.

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[00:32:18] Dave Jones: of itself. Totally. That's the beauty of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And go and listen to the range hoods. Go to your local appliance dealer. I think that's an issue. We talked about the noise, right?

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[00:32:40] Dave Jones: Unless you want it there, like, go for

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[00:32:58] Eric Goranson: Yes. So if you have a [00:33:00] 36 inch range, you can't put a 36 inch wood hood over it. You need to go bigger. Yes. The inside has

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[00:33:18] Dave Jones: Yeah. And then if you do events Yeah,

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[00:33:37] Eric Goranson: Yeah contractor and stuff and I'd go over to the range hood and I'd pop and take a look at him Like, you know, there's a little jar or something. You got to clean out there Yeah, and they look at you in horror and go what what? Yeah, I know I told you this when we did this But you had so much in your life.

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[00:33:51] Dave Jones: So yeah, but again, yeah, no, that's really smart. Most of our, um, our filters are, uh, dishwasher safe. So it's super easy, right? This [00:34:00] isn't complicated. We're trying to make it super easy because we want people to use it. We, we really, truly believe that you will have a better life.

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[00:34:11] Eric Goranson: Amen. Now we've got to talk about your. Upgrades to range hoods because There are millions of people out there that look up and go. Okay. I got the builder basic range hood It's baffin baffin.

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[00:34:37] Dave Jones: sexy. And they're probably dirty.

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[00:34:45] Eric Goranson: time you cleaned that out? Uh, you can clean it.

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[00:34:58] Dave Jones: The first thing people freak out about [00:35:00] is, yeah, but it's really hard to pull down and get out of that slot. I know it is horrible. We're working on a better solution for that. We got your backs in the meantime. Don't worry. You're not going to break it. If you do, I've got a solution. You need to change it out.

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[00:35:28] Dave Jones: Or give it a multicolor light or give it a multicolor light and a Bluetooth speaker. See.

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[00:35:42] Eric Goranson: Yep. And things are expensive out there right now in the world. Yeah. And I understand that. And maybe you can't afford to have the professional come out and do it. Yeah. Yeah. This is a great, I don't want to use the word bandaid, but it's going to get you an upgrade to get to the next level. You really kind of want to have, but this will really help you take that next

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[00:36:00] Dave Jones: I think a lot of people aren't using it because they don't like it. It's ugly. It's loud. Uh, we didn't talk about it, but we have a motor upgrade. We call it a quick kit upgrade. You can replace the actual motor. So it'll go from more, most people have a 56. probably underpowered. That's what code was back in the day.

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[00:36:28] Dave Jones: There's not even a screw. There's no, there's no like the, you need a screwdriver only just to like bend a little metal tab and that's it. And then it pops out as a little plug or regular outlet plug and you just pop a new one in and now you've got a quieter fan. It'll have 80 CFM. It'll be like 30% It's so much better, right?

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[00:37:02] Dave Jones: Oh, that surface shield. Put that in my bathroom, please. Absolutely.

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[00:37:08] Dave Jones: stuff. Or the Alexa one. Right. Where you can yell at it to tell you the weather.

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[00:37:16] Dave Jones: right on your back.

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[00:37:23] Eric Goranson: got an epic

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[00:37:25] Eric Goranson: appreciate it. You've

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[00:37:31] Dave Jones: There's a ton out there. We even make a recess light so we can put a light in that doesn't look like, I think we talked about that earlier. It doesn't look like a fan, right? Like there's a lot of options. Find something that works for you. Take a poke around. at our website. BroneNewTone. com. Brone NewTone.

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[00:37:54] Eric Goranson: be great. Yeah. And you guys just have a great booth in here.

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[00:38:13] Eric Goranson: Getting it in there and getting it where you can control it. Because I tell you what, that is the two of the biggest things we deal with. Totally. All right. We miss anything today, my friend. No, that's it. I just, thanks for coming by. This is great having me, man. Yeah, this is our annual event. It is now. Yeah, let's keep it rolling.

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[00:38:44] Dave Jones: right?

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[00:39:03] Dave Jones: Thanks. I appreciate it. That's something I'm proud

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[00:39:16] Dave Jones: home? Yeah. That's pretty essential. That's the show, yeah. Alright, brother, thanks for coming on

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[00:39:19] Eric Goranson: Yeah, thanks. Alright, I'm Eric Chee and you've been listening to Around the House.