Designing an outdoor kitchen, exterior projects, stonework without a mason and the Idaho Painter

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[00:00:26] Eric Goranson: And that is Chris Berry, the Idaho painter and owner of paint life supply. Welcome back to around the house. I'm

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[00:00:42] Eric Goranson: First thing I wanted to tackle was it is such a challenge when you're doing the exterior house.

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[00:01:04] Eric Goranson: Welcome to the round the house show. The next generation of home improvement. Thanks for joining me today. I'm Eric G for hour two of our show. If you missed the first hour, don't worry. If it's on the podcast, you can always go back and catch one there. And if you're on the radio, you can always catch around the house on your favorite pot player.

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[00:01:52] Eric Goranson: And we're going to talk about what makes a good painting project and the great way to do it like a pro, whether or not you're a pro or not. He is [00:02:00] training all those pros out there. So in the last segment of the show, we'll be talking with Chris, the Idaho painter. I just completed my outdoor kitchen project and this was a lot of fun.

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[00:02:33] Eric Goranson: There's some things I redid cause I went, I didn't plan that out well enough. And I didn't take things into account and not that there are mistakes, but I needed to beef some things up and make them a little bit stronger. So we're going to talk about that here to start the show out. Now, one thing that I've learned when you're doing an outdoor kitchen is you need to really plan ahead.

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[00:03:12] Eric Goranson: Now, the important part here is, is, is you're staying out of the weather. What does that mean? Is that wind? Is it rain? Is it humidity? What's it going to be? And that can require other things. Maybe you need fans. Maybe you need misters out there. Maybe you need other things like putting in a fireplace or something to heat you up.

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[00:03:51] Eric Goranson: If you're running a vent hood, I'd run it on its own circuit. So you might need two, three, four circuits out there. Depending on what you're doing, [00:04:00] lighting, all that stuff really comes into account because you run out of power really quick with some of these higher amperage poles. And so just make sure that you're not doing too much.

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[00:04:27] Eric Goranson: But that's something where you need to insulate and create ways to drain that in the wintertime if you need to. And those are things that you should think into and making sure that that's going to work in your climate. Now, one of the things that I want to talk about is if you're building a deck area, or even if you're pouring concrete, this stuff adds up in weight.

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[00:05:10] Eric Goranson: So think about that for a moment, how much that weighs. And I sure am not going to put that on a normal decking surface because you didn't probably design that for that. So that one there, I actually didn't put on the deck. I poured a massive footing on that. So I wouldn't have to worry about it moving around.

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[00:06:12] Eric Goranson: But if you're going to be doing all of that, that adds up in weight. So you really need to engineer that deck. To take a few an extra 1500 to 2000 pounds and you don't want it to move around because if you actually have, let's say, you put down a slab porcelain countertop, which is one recommended surface.

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[00:06:52] Eric Goranson: So make sure you design that and make sure that you really plan for that. So you don't have that thing bouncing around a little bit. And [00:07:00] remember, the higher you get, the more you can get spring out of 4x4s, where you probably need to get to 6x6s. And this is where you really need to start engineering if you get over a couple feet off the ground.

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[00:07:28] Eric Goranson: So really plan ahead for that. But that's going to be one of those things that we really want to plan ahead, really plan ahead. So think a little bit more about that. When you're planning that stuff out, it can really save you A bunch of headaches. And of course, how do you get the utilities? How do you get the framing, all that stuff?

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[00:08:04] Eric Goranson: Where are all those, how far is the panel away? All things that you should be taking into account. And my best advice I can give you for planning ahead is plan your dream scenario. What would be your end all be all and it gives you the room to expand it to that one day. I built my first one and I went, I don't have enough covered patio space.

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[00:08:52] Eric Goranson: I should have ran more power out to mine. I have the ability to add it if I need to, but that will probably be a project down [00:09:00] the road that I left the ability to do that. And I will probably add more to that down the road because I clearly am going to need it. So think about all those things. And lighting, lighting controls.

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[00:09:28] Eric Goranson: When you're planning things out, how do you keep things dry? How do you keep things from burning up to the sun? How do you keep it under control with the wind? How do you keep that stuff dialed in? Now, when we come back, I'm going to talk about some products that are really smart for countertops and things like that.

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[00:10:10] Intro: What's up? This is Sticks It In Ya.

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[00:10:30] Eric Goranson: I want to show the next generation of home improvement. Thanks for joining me today. I appreciate you. I'm Eric G. Hey, if you want to find out more about us, head over to AroundTheHouseOnline. com And of course, you can give a call at the studio at 833 239 4144. And that number again is 839 239 4144. Before we get back to outdoor kitchens here, I did get an email, actually got a voicemail into our system here.

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[00:11:25] Eric Goranson: So that is one of my things that I like to buy at once and have it last nearly a lifetime. If I like to buy it and then forget about it, cause. There's nothing worse than a pan coming apart or the finish coming off on the inside and creating the health concerns that we see with that. And I have a different couple of different brands that I have used over the years that have really held up.

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[00:12:13] Eric Goranson: Or just using a all clad type multi layer pan. Or of course that burn does, which is a coated aluminum or it's baked in on that. So it doesn't really come flaking off. Both of those are great pans. So I hope anonymous caller that answers your question. As far as. Appliances. There's a lot of great brands out there of appliances, and it's really going to be what you can afford to cook with.

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[00:13:00] Eric Goranson: All of those have been doing really well. So of course, get what you can afford. That's the big part right now. Cause all those things are pretty expensive and there's some great brands out there that'll hold up. And if you want something, that's going to be. Super reliable. It's more money than you can look at brands like Mila laundry.

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[00:13:37] Eric Goranson: Now you can go out and jump online and buy pre made cabinet boxes that are Steel or concrete board or whatever material you want and then do a tile or a stone over the top of it. I decided to build my own. So I built my own cabinets. I put plywood over the top of those. I did a whole more, a whole segment on my around the house [00:14:00] Northwest on that show just on building that.

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[00:14:27] Eric Goranson: That's about 36 inches. That's what your kitchen countertop is. But you have to do the math to figure out, okay, if I'm putting doors underneath it, and then if I've got a gas cooktop that's built in where that countertop is going to finish up, I only had about three eighths of an inch to work with on the whole thing to get everything to go together.

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[00:15:06] Eric Goranson: That raised bar top now gets in the way if you have a grill hood that tips up. So I decided to make sure that mine fit. I made mine at 30 inches deep instead of 25 and a half. To make sure that that would fit correctly. So I didn't have to worry about any clearance issues. And I had an inch, but I didn't have a lot of space back there by doing it that way.

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[00:15:49] Eric Goranson: So that's one great option. Now I have two countertop materials in my outdoor kitchen. First off, I did a, on the top part where the bar is, I was the [00:16:00] rollout kind of project for DuPont Corian Endura, their slab porcelain or sintered stone countertop. That stuff has been super durable, tough as nails, can't hurt it.

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[00:16:31] Eric Goranson: It is a wood composite. So they take wood and a bunch of phenolic resins. And pressure it together and it is a cool living finish on it, but it looks a lot like soapstone. So you have to oil it and wax it and take care of it. But I tell you what, this stuff is super durable. I have it next to my pizza oven.

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[00:17:10] Eric Goranson: This is why I went with this is that when you have stone work, like that slab porcelain countertop, you need to work with a fabricator. That fabricator has to turn around. Work with it, make it work, get it put together. And that's an added expense. So I thought, okay, I'm going to do a durable material that I can work much like wood with a lot of the tools that I have where I don't have to be cutting stone or a quartz material.

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[00:17:55] Eric Goranson: The stuff I did was FSC certified, which means it's a green product. As far as [00:18:00] where that's coming out of, it's using a recycled paper that was sustainably forest as well as resins that were something that is a waste out of another product. So you're using all this recycled material to create something.

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[00:18:30] Eric Goranson: So take a look at paper stone for an outdoor kitchen. It's one of my favorites. We come back, we'll wrap up my thoughts with outdoor kitchens, and then we'll run out to Chris Berry, the Idaho painter with some painting tips. Don't go anywhere around the house. We'll be right back after these important messages.

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[00:19:01] Intro: this is Ron Keel, the metal cowboy from Keel, the Ron Keel band and Steeler, we are rocking around the house with Eric T.

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[00:19:22] Eric Goranson: What are the tips? What did I learn from doing mine? Now, if you want to find out more about us or see some of the videos that we did on this, head over to AroundTheHouseOnline. com and you can find out more information there. So we've been talking about this and this is, you know, kind of important if you're trying to plan out that outdoor living space.

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[00:19:58] Eric Goranson: So I went out with a product that I've [00:20:00] used in other projects called Evolve Stone. Now let's run out to my buddy Dom and we'll talk a little bit more about Evolve Stone because this stuff is great for a DIY project, whether you're wrapping a fireplace or wrapping an outdoor kitchen. Today we've got Dom, my buddy from Evolve Stone.

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[00:20:22] Dom Rybeck: Perfect. Eric, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

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[00:20:38] Dom Rybeck: Yeah, absolutely. So, uh, something that leads into the beauty of that product is we actually mold off of natural stone. I've got, funny enough, I got, we're, we're working on a new style right now. So I get pallets of stone from the various quarries for the, for the, uh, the texture that we're trying to, uh, recreate.

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[00:21:16] Eric Goranson: See, that's the thing that's cool about it. And when you and I were down in Florida doing that seminar that time, and you threw that piece to me in the seminar. So of course we'd set up. It's full, it just fools you out how light it is compared to you think it's a rock coming at you. But it weighs like a coaster

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[00:21:37] Dom Rybeck: The one thing I never get tired of is someone reaching down into a box, picking a stone up, expecting it to weigh what a stone weighs and all this mash in their teeth because they pick it up so quickly. They're like, Oh my gosh, that's one thing I never get tired of. I also never get tired of someone that volunteering to come up to a wall and shoot some stones up.

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[00:22:09] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And this can be used what inside, outside, around fireplaces. You can use it just about any place.

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[00:22:15] Dom Rybeck: So originally the materials been around for a long time. I, uh, Talked about that in the past, but as veneer, it's basically stone siding. If you can think of wherever, you can put ti siding, you can put the stone. So right here I've got basically a a, an exterior mockup. I've got my substrate, which right here is seven 16 OSB.

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[00:22:55] Dom Rybeck: Now for interior, it likes to go up. [00:23:00] Over what that's what it's been designed for. We have a class B fire rated product that you can put almost anywhere except inside the firebox and outside of the basically what they call the non combustible zone. The no go zone. Yeah. So you respect that. But if I'm doing a fireplace, I cover the studs with some or, or some scrap.

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[00:23:27] Eric Goranson: That works well. Yeah, absolutely. And you guys are, are you have snuck your product into so many major retailers out there as well.

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[00:23:37] Dom Rybeck: Yeah. So the cool part is, yeah, a box has a little over 14 square feet in it. I can ship a box easily, but now that distribution has started to gear up and rock and roll. I got truckloads of this stuff. We started in the, basically the mid Atlantic and the Northeast and, and, you know, the, the Southeastern states, and now we're making our way.

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[00:24:21] Dom Rybeck: How do you figure out how to get it to me? I need to grow up. And they'll, they should be able to help.

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[00:24:32] Dom Rybeck: Yeah, so it does. It cuts like a, it cuts like, like almost balls of wood. If you could imagine, on average, the stone, let's call it five eighths of an inch thick.

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[00:24:56] Dom Rybeck: Cutting square cuts. If I'm doing my, if I did my layout well, but [00:25:00] you can use the table saw. A lot of guys just use the table saw with the miter with the sliding miter block. And then they can make their cuts however they want. If they got to do a tapered cut, they can do that. If you're cutting pieces into a, like a gable end and you got a pitch.

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[00:25:37] Dom Rybeck: And now you've got a perfect. 90 degree, uh, mitered stone, which you can't do, you could do, but it'd take you all the crazy tools and everything that you need and all the scrap you're going to have and mistakes, just give, give this a shot. You, you can't do it with any other kind of stem product.

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[00:25:59] Eric Goranson: When you're [00:26:00] cutting a piece, you can just use that piece someplace else.

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[00:26:19] Dom Rybeck: Ripping down 1 piece of trim is so much faster than ripping, cutting down 50 stones on towards the end of a wall or where you bought another wall. But the way that the math works out, if I have to make a cut as I'm coming to a door, that other piece. As you come over the other side of that door, or you, but into the wall at the end, that piece, it's really close.

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[00:26:48] Eric Goranson: See, and then that saves you on material because you don't have to buy an extra box or 2 material. Just because you're throwing away so much material, like you do sometimes with other materials.

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[00:27:23] Dom Rybeck: You could just cut it off and throw it off the, off the scaffold or the ladder or whatever it. And never look back. But a lot of times those pieces are nice because you don't have to cut them. They're going to be the perfect piece. Mathematically, just like flooring or, or tile or anything like that, you try to hold on to those pieces because chances are you're going to need it.

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[00:27:57] Dom Rybeck: Yeah.

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[00:28:16] Dom Rybeck: If you use, if you utilize something like trim, I am the laziest when it comes to putting it up. Don, thanks

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[00:28:27] Dom Rybeck: Check it out. Yeah, I'm ready. Let me know. And I can, if I can, I'll get out there for you. If not, I'll send it to you and you know what to do.

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[00:29:03] Eric Goranson: It's the end of the show. No drinking down people, it's time to go. It's that time again. It's Last Call. Welcome back to the round the house show. The next generation of home improvement. Thanks for joining me today. I'm Eric G if you're catching us on the national radio show, I do appreciate you. And we do have our around the house insider exclusive content.

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[00:29:48] Eric Goranson: So there's a lot of little perks right there, including. Access to me directly. When it comes to painting, there is one expert that I follow on social media that gets me all the answers I'm looking for, and that is [00:30:00] Chris Berry, the Idaho painter and owner of paint life supply. Welcome back to around the house.

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[00:30:05] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: glad to be here once again. So hopefully we can. Help your audience out, solve some problems or give them some new painting tips and tricks. Absolutely, man.

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[00:30:22] Eric Goranson: What are some of the best practices for people that are going to go out and try that DIY paint job, because this is where it seems things go off the rails.

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[00:30:43] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: But. The prep work is, is vital and it's very important, especially the coughing and sealing process. And I think that's probably like, when I see homeowners do it, tackle an exterior paint job themselves, a lot of it is, they just don't even know what to call for seal on a house and [00:31:00] usually almost nothing gets popped on it.

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[00:31:23] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: There's not going to be very much coffee because we do a lot of coffee initially. But when the house is built originally, the ciders don't do very much coffee. And then the painters almost do zero coffee. And so that's something you don't want to like miss or skip.

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[00:31:43] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: right?

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[00:32:03] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: It could be running down the house that the window is a flash. Properly. We see it all the time. The windows leak. And so the top of the window tram, we caught that and come down the sides and pop that. And that's what I would call functional caulking. Even a nail head when a nail had penetrates the siding.

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[00:32:40] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: Final polished look and finished look. And there's, I would say the majority of the caulking we do is aesthetic caulking. So the house just looks awesome when it's painted.

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[00:32:58] Eric Goranson: Water up in there, unless something's getting crazy [00:33:00] with a pressure washer or a hose, but that's where it really gives you those clean lines, right? Yeah. It's

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[00:33:15] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: Now that. Could, if you, what we do a hundred percent caulk a house, we caulk all around all the door jams around all the window trim, all the inside corners, outside quarter boards. If you caulk all of it, you are in essence, keeping wind out, you're keeping moisture out, but, and so it can be aesthetic and it can be functional at the same time.

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[00:33:53] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: The less likely you're going to have air moisture getting in your house, getting behind the siding and doing damage to the siding.

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[00:34:06] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: There are a lot of paints, say they're a paint primer in one.

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[00:34:28] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: They're painting and they're selling you a primer, possibly when you don't even need a primer, because that's their job is to upsell you and sell you products. Now, typically a homeowner, they have their house. They're going to get ready to paint it. It's been painted before more than likely. If it hasn't been painted, all comes exciting.

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[00:35:09] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: If you use a high quality paint, you do not need to find the house. Now. There are going to be places. In situations where we're going to use a primer and so if we got anything blistering on the siding, if you got blistering on the composite siding, that's opening up the siding itself, exposing what we call this glorified cardboard to weather damage and water, and we're going to want to prime that if your house is wood and you got peeling paint and exposed wood, you're going to want to prime that.

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[00:36:02] Eric Goranson: Nice. And then what do you recommend for paint? Cause it's so confusing. Someone walks into a big box store, even a paint store, and they see this Maybe 30 gallon, a gallon paint. And of course, then you've got the a hundred dollars stuff. What do you recommend for paint grades? Cause it gets really confusing for home.

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[00:36:37] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: So whatever manufacturer we choose, and I would say every manufacturer out there has a high end paint and a low end paint and everything in between. And in order to make a low end paint versus high end paint, if you're. The money. You're gonna be adding what we call resins into the paint. Higher quality resins, more resins, the more resin, [00:37:00] the more expensive the paint and the resins.

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[00:37:28] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: So, a cheap paint is just not going to bond as good. It's going to fade a lot faster and it's going to probably. Get choppy and and peel over time and pretty quick. So I would highly recommend. So whatever paint you choose, always choose the best option, even though it is more expensive. Another thing is, is an experiment we did with 1 manufacturer last year and it was a 1 coat paint.

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[00:38:16] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: So, you do really get what you pay for. And I would highly recommend always. Thanks. Choosing the best paints is protecting your investment. So, makes

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[00:38:26] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: Yeah,

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[00:38:34] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: YouTube videos.

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[00:39:00] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: You can also find all the tools necessary to complete a paint job at our store that you mentioned, paintlifesupply. com.

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[00:39:07] Chris Berry the Idaho Painter: friend. You're welcome.

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