Woodworking with Scott Couch from Get off the Couch Design

[: 00:00:00

[00:00:16] Scott Couch: bandsaw and a drum sander are the two things that like I couldn't believe like first. First of all, bandsaw was just so versatile.

[: 00:00:24

[00:00:41] Eric Goranson: Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and to be honest, I am less scared of a bandsaw than I am a table saw fly a mile. Yes,

[: 00:00:51

[00:01:07] Eric Goranson: Welcome to Around the House with Eric G. This is where we talk home improvement, construction, design, healthy homes, and playing around with power tools every single week. Thanks for joining us. We've got a good guy in the house here that I have learned a lot from watching his. And when I can learn from it, it always adds value to me, which means it can add value to you.

[: 00:01:31

[00:01:37] Scott Couch: thanks for having me. Uh, pretty cool to hear you say that. Uh, you learned some stuff from my page. I know, you know a ton of stuff. .

[: 00:01:43

[00:01:57] Scott Couch: Isn't that the truth? There's a wealth of knowledge

[: 00:01:59

[00:02:13] Scott Couch: Oh yeah, I'm always doing things and then I'm like, uh, how did I not think of that?

[: 00:02:18

[00:02:22] Eric Goranson: Well, you're known out there for doing so many different stuff. I love your work with building signs and dealing with wood. You've even got, you know, dealing with laser stuff. You've got a lot of stuff going on, man.

[: 00:02:35

[00:02:42] Scott Couch: That's like really my, my go-to thing. Uh, I, I guess you could say, yeah. Um, really love playing around with the total b deoxy and doing the inlays and trying to match the colors to different, uh, signs or teams that people want.

[: 00:02:56

[00:03:07] Eric Goranson: But, uh, what do you do when somebody says, Hey, can you make me a sign? What's the process in that?

[: 00:03:14

[00:03:22] Eric Goranson: Oh, . We're not mentioning sport teams. So guess what, personal use only.

[: 00:03:27

[00:03:30] Scott Couch: Exactly. This is, uh, all for me. Um, so what I'll do is I'll take the design and I'll throw it into, uh, aspire. Which is a vector program, and I do all my programming in there. Sometimes if it's more complicated, I'll throw it into Adobe Illustrator. Um, or a different program. I have light burn that I use for the laser that you mentioned, and that is actually like really good at tracing.

[: 00:03:51

[00:04:12] Scott Couch: And so like basically what I did for that one is I just poured a big area of black, then cut the red portion out, poured the red, then cut the white out of the red, and then filled that in. So basically sense a matter of figuring out which. Order to get it in.

[: 00:04:28

[00:04:44] Scott Couch: Sure. Exactly. Yep. That's like the, uh, I, I tend to think of it as like the, the biggest, uh, find the color on the outside and then work your way in and that way you just make, you may end up kinda wasting some epoxy or whatever, but at, in the [00:05:00] end, you get a cleaner look.

[: 00:05:02

[00:05:13] Eric Goranson: Yep.

[: 00:05:13

[00:05:31] Scott Couch: Yep. But then also the. The other thing that I learned was, uh, on that same one with the dominoes, I tried to make pockets so that they were just touching instead of just making one big pocket, like the one big black pocket and then cutting the red outta that, I tried to make a black pocket, fill that, and then cut the red pocket and fill that.

[: 00:05:52

[00:06:07] Eric Goranson: Oh man, that, yeah, that, that's a big thing. I have not played around with epoxy.

[: 00:06:11

[00:06:33] Eric Goranson: And we took literally, Tamarac logs with a live edge and they wanted a pour over the top of that to keep it looking nice. Mm-hmm. . And these were like 16 foot long, four inch thick pieces we were doing. And it was probably the biggest struggle without getting something to bubble or pop on that whole piece.

[: 00:06:56

[00:07:14] Eric Goranson: It was troublesome back then cuz temperature, humidity, all those different things were playing with us. And uh, that was a tough project. I mean, it's still up there. But the other problem was the architect hadn't planned in that that wood was gonna move. And even though it was big, huge piece of kiln, dry wood, it's still like to move as a bar top.

[: 00:07:35

[00:07:55] Scott Couch: And that one was challenging enough worrying about the bubbles and this and that, and I had a [00:08:00] controlled environment in my basement. So yeah, doing that on site work is no joke.

[: 00:08:05

[00:08:12] Scott Couch: there you go.

[: 00:08:12

[00:08:15] Eric Goranson: direction. Absolutely. Absolutely. Cause I gotta figure, I got a feeling even though that we had people that had been doing it for 15 years, we probably still weren't doing it the right way. Oh, I'm sure.

[: 00:08:25

[00:08:28] Eric Goranson: way to do.

[: 00:08:29

[00:08:44] Eric Goranson: I mean, they are as professionally built as anything out there commercially, and you can just get those things dialed.

[: 00:08:53

[00:09:14] Eric Goranson: Let's talk power tools for a minute cuz that is always a tough subject out there. You know, And, and this is no different than people out there, the Ford, Chevy Dodge debate with trucks, you know, it's the Coke versus Pepsi, you know, it's all of those different things. What do you like using?

[: 00:09:33

[00:09:36] Scott Couch: Mm-hmm. , I had a bunch of, uh, jet tools. Um, Uh, probably about six months or so a year ago. I got a, about a year ago, I. Maybe two years at this point. I got a band saw from them and it was my first ever band saw and super powerful, real awesome. Uh, so I ended up picking up their table saw too. It's four horsepower and nothing's a monster.[00:10:00]

[: 00:10:01

[00:10:12] Eric Goranson: I even saw, did I see a Hitachi Chop saw in the background there one time? I do. Yep. Yep. It looks pretty cool.

[: 00:10:19

[00:10:29] Scott Couch: So that zero clearance is huge for that.

[: 00:10:32

[00:10:37] Scott Couch: yeah. All Milwaukee for all that stuff. Cool. A while back when I first started, I heard Milwaukee was good, you know, so I got some, and then once you're on that one platform, I

[: 00:10:47

[00:10:52] Scott Couch: That's what my shop is all black and

[: 00:10:54

[00:10:55] Eric Goranson: Yep, exactly. I got some yellow and black and some other colors back there, but it's, there's a lot of red [00:11:00] back there and I think I'll be tossing a few more brands in there. I'm not loyal to one of 'em. But like you said though, man, once you get, you know, once you get kind of going on a brand and it's so much easier because no matter what brand you like, they got you on the platform thing, why go have another battery charger?

[: 00:11:17

[00:11:20] Scott Couch: mess with? Exactly, that's, as you're saying, you have, you know, some black and yellow back there too. I'm like, Oh yeah, I do have, you know, a bunch of different platforms, but I really just, if I'm getting a new tool, I just try to get one that I already have the batteries for cause it's just that much easier.

[: 00:11:35

[00:11:56] Eric Goranson: I mean, the, uh, the, uh, DeWalt [00:12:00] and Milwaukee lawn mower might be a little over the edge for me, but, uh mm-hmm. , that's, that's a little much for me, but, uh, if you have the batteries, I can see where it makes. Yep.

[: 00:12:09

[00:12:21] Scott Couch: So now I have a, a different company one and it sinks my, the nails every time. But I think it was just, you know, that was the first generation that they put out, so.

[: 00:12:29

[00:12:44] Scott Couch: Oh yeah. That's, uh, so I kind of got lucky. My shop is very small, so I couldn't do epoxy out there, so Nice. I don't have to worry about the dust from there. So I have my basement turned into like a little like epoxy studio I guess you could call it. Oh, cool. And yeah, so I have some mats down there and [00:13:00] things, and so I'll basically, A corner of my basement is sectioned off just for epoxy, so my kids know to stay away from it.

[: 00:13:07

[00:13:26] Eric Goranson: How do you keep that from getting up in the house?

[: 00:13:28

[00:13:34] Scott Couch: Uh, you know, I, for a while I wasn't wearing gloves, but now I wear gloves all the time. and, uh, actually my girls love it. I have three daughters and they love coming down to do it with me. Oh, nice.

[: 00:13:46

[00:13:56] Eric Goranson: ah, that's awesome, dude. That's awesome. Yeah.

[: 00:13:58

[00:14:09] Eric Goranson: Family time, man, Priceless.

[: 00:14:12

[00:14:19] Eric Goranson: Ah, that is awesome. And I'll tell you what, those, those memories like that, you know, you think about stuff that you do with your family. I, I can think back of all the different DIY projects I did with my dad, you know, 40 plus years ago and there's still memories that are still solid right there.

[: 00:14:33

[00:14:34] Scott Couch: sweet. Oh, sure. Sure. Yep. That's what actually got me into all this. My dad was a cabinet maker for 40 years, so

[: 00:14:41

[00:14:57] Eric Goranson: And I spent 30 years in the cabin [00:15:00] industry. So I want to hear about your dad here and how that goes. Cause that's a brutal industry to be.

[: 00:15:05

[00:15:13] Scott Couch: But, uh, so he had a cabinet shop for 25 years, I think it was, uh, something like that. And they did a ton of different stuff for offices and buildings down here. Um, this desk I'm sitting at right now, my dad built, uh, I dunno, however many years ago. And my mom is a court reporter, so he's built her, uh, desk, uh, that he has, and all the cabinets at my old house and everything.

[: 00:15:36

[00:15:56] Scott Couch: So it was, it was cool to grow up around. But then once I got a [00:16:00] little bit older, uh, we needed a table for our house. So I reached out to a buddy and I was like, Hey, you know, he, he owned his own wood shop and was like, Hey, I need a table. And once I found out, I was like, Can I actually come work and figure it out and learn?

[: 00:16:14

[00:16:20] Eric Goranson: Nice. I will say something about the cabin industry and it's kinda like it's hard to get the stuff done at home when you're doing it all day long. So, uh, a hat's off to him for getting the home kitchen done because, uh, in the cabin industry, that's the hardest one.

[: 00:16:34

[00:16:46] Scott Couch: Yep. What's that phrase? The cobbler's, uh, uh, kid never

[: 00:16:50

[00:16:57] Eric Goranson: That, and then, then, you know, you got to learn [00:17:00] as well a little bit from that. So, you know, that a, that was a good role model of, Hey, there's some cool stuff to

[: 00:17:05

[00:17:21] Scott Couch: So it was

[: 00:17:23

[00:17:37] Scott Couch: You know? Yep. Yep. So we made an ambulance one year and they're like, I don't know, did you add stuff?

[: 00:17:42

[00:17:47] Eric Goranson: Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I was, I was following the rules, but at that time, the, the rules didn't, you know, you. As far as adding weight and stuff, they, they were pretty liberal with them at the time and so, uh, I'm sure they've changed it since then, but back [00:18:00] then you could add weight and stuff to it and I was, uh, I was drilling out and putting a lead shot in the back and, you know, doing stuff to really balance stuff out.

[: 00:18:08

[00:18:12] Scott Couch: It actually is funny that you say that cuz it reminds me, uh, one year we didn't get the chance to make one, so I used my brother's old one and it was under the weight it needed to be. So we taped a quarter to the back of it and I ended up almost like winning the whole like tournament or whatever, but

[: 00:18:28

[00:18:29] Eric Goranson: Yeah, you're worked, worked . Yeah, right, Exactly. That is awesome. That is awesome. Well, I, I wanted to ask one more thing. What's the secret to keeping. The epoxy off the tools and stuff cuz, man, I tell you what, the clamps, the everything else, it always seems around the shop when you're gluing stuff up or even when you're working with any of these adhesives and, and epoxies, that stuff likes to get

[: 00:18:53

[00:18:54] Scott Couch: Oh yeah. Yeah. So wherever I'm using epoxy, I try to keep a silicone matte under whatever I'm doing. [00:19:00] Or if it's like a bigger thing, I have a big H D P E sheet. Mm-hmm. , and I'll put whatever I'm doing on there. So like today I have a bunch of coasters that I have to pour some tabletop epoxy on. Mm-hmm. . So I'll just lay 'em all out across the H D P E and make sure it's nice and clean.

[: 00:19:13

[00:19:42] Eric Goranson: Nice. Okay. There you go.

[: 00:19:45

[00:19:49] Eric Goranson: that way. There you go. When you're like, Uhoh went too far.

[: 00:19:54

[00:19:58] Eric Goranson: we all learn from those mistakes, [00:20:00] man. Come on. Oh, yeah. It's, Oh yeah. I don't know how many times I've been sitting there, you know, with that, uh, can't remember the brand, but the, you know, the yellow and black.

[: 00:20:09

[00:20:18] Scott Couch: are you talking like the firm brick ones or, Uh, no,

[: 00:20:21

[00:20:25] Eric Goranson: They're like in a, almost like a big thing of the Clorox wipes, but they're the, the hand cleaning ones that you get out there. Okay. I'm trying to think of the brand, but. Man, those things I've used for cleaning up power tools and stuff. When, when on the outside, when I get a mess, the uh, um, anyway, they're just the clean cleaning hands ones that you use out there.

[: 00:20:43

[00:20:56] Scott Couch: it, it sure does. I was actually just before we got on, I was down in the [00:21:00] basement cause I'm getting prepared to pour those coasters.

[: 00:21:01

[00:21:32] Scott Couch: So it was all a mess and I basically just poured that stuff on there and wiped the paper towel and I was amazed at how well it cleaned up.

[: 00:21:39

[00:21:49] Scott Couch: So bandsaw and a drum sander are the two things that like, I couldn't believe like first of, first of all, bandsaw was just so versatile.

[: 00:21:58

[00:22:16] Scott Couch: Oh yeah. Yeah.

[: 00:22:18

[00:22:25] Scott Couch: Yes. 100%. That was my other thought of, you know, why a tables saw before a bands saw. Cause a band saw, like, you know, obviously you can mess up with any power tool, but a man saw just seems a lot more.

[: 00:22:38

[00:22:43] Eric Goranson: you keep pushing, you know, you keep pushing and if not, you're in trouble. . Yeah. Right, right. Yeah. I, I, I can't tell you how many times in the, you know, I'm in a bunch of woodworkers groups and stuff on, uh, on, uh, social media pages out there.

[: 00:22:56

[00:23:19] Eric Goranson: Mm-hmm. . And it jammed the two by four, the one by two, all the way through the can of almonds and out the back of it. Oh, I believe it. I believe. And I'm like, Oh yeah, I've seen it. I mean, it's, Oh yeah. But I was just like, Wow. There is a graphic picture of a simple cut gone bad. And, uh, bandsaws, you don't

[: 00:23:37

[00:23:38] Scott Couch: Oh no, not at all. I had a similar thing with my table saw when I was first using it. I had a tiny, it was only like, you know, a half inch wide, but it stuck right into the, my garage door. And I actually left it there for like a year and a half cuz I was just like, that's a good reminder to be safe cuz you know, , everybody gets going and you don't think what's going on.

[: 00:23:59

[00:23:59] Eric Goranson: know, [00:24:00] there's a lot of guys missing the end of a finger out there that have used table saws for decades and they got comfort. Yep.

[: 00:24:08

[00:24:11] Eric Goranson: but man. Amen. And you know, and quite frankly, this is not a commercial cuz I, I don't have any even communication with these guys.

[: 00:24:19

[00:24:40] Scott Couch: No, not at all. Yeah. But I can see the value in that being added to, you know, many different tools. You know, why not you have a spinning blade and if you can stop it by just how, however it does it, electromagnetically or whatever, it's, Yeah. But if you can do that to any blade, then why not?

[: 00:24:56

[00:25:01] Eric Goranson: I was out talking power tools and we got to do that, uh, hotdog challenge and, uh, they hot dog. Did you push it? Oh, That was intense .

[: 00:25:11

[00:25:17] Eric Goranson: the energy of that blade spinning and then jamming that aluminum block into the blade.

[: 00:25:24

[00:25:33] Scott Couch: Yeah, it's, it's impressive. Uh, I was in, uh, I'm just remembering, I was in a shop that I, that shop that I was working in and we were pushing some insulation with a metal backing on it through it, and didn't even think, but conducted through the metal and it popped it down and that it was a quick, and it's amazing how fast it

[: 00:25:51

[00:25:52] Eric Goranson: It's violent, but it works. Oh, yeah.

[: 00:25:55

[00:26:00] Yeah,

[: 00:26:00

[00:26:12] Eric Goranson: Yeah. But, uh, yeah, maybe, maybe one day if I'm doing enough projects, you know? Sure. Just not doing as much tables saw projects right now, just, uh, with, with doing this stuff. But, uh, I could definitely see the, the value and I can also make the argument that yeah, it's more expensive, but if you're gonna go out and buy a table saw, it's cheaper than what your insurance deduct deductible's gonna be.

[: 00:26:32

[00:26:36] Scott Couch: that. I wanna say they came out with a job site one too. They do. So I think they have a, the smaller one. So yeah, can, can be safe and within a, within a budget.

[: 00:26:45

[00:26:53] Eric Goranson: So if you're soft stop you listening, we, we would love to see those in our shops. And I'll say for Scott too, that, uh, you know, [00:27:00] you know how to get ahold of us .

[: 00:27:01

[00:27:04] Eric Goranson: shameless plug. Well, I see, you know, you're out there doing a lot of gluing up wood, like, you know, for your tabletops, your signs or anything else like that.

[: 00:27:13

[00:27:29] Scott Couch: Uh, first, make sure your wood is dry and you have proper , proper lumber, I would suggest from a lumber yard or a mill or a kiln, not necessarily your big box stores.

[: 00:27:40

[00:27:56] Eric Goranson: it easiest. This is so nice, man. . Oh yeah. Nice square

[: 00:27:59

[00:28:06] Scott Couch: Get another square then. So from there, it's pretty simple, you know, as long as you have everything squared up. I, I sometimes see people using like all these calls and things to hold it down, and those are great, but as long as your wood is nice and squared and true up and dried, should be able to sit right on those clamps and smooth right together.

[: 00:28:25

[00:28:41] Eric Goranson: How close is that, you know, is zero. Zero, Right?

[: 00:28:44

[00:28:58] Eric Goranson: Yeah, yeah. That's, that's [00:29:00] good stuff right there. And you know, it's, it's interesting. So what are you working on in a shop wise? Do you have like a single car garage or what's tight for you? You were talking about your shop.

[: 00:29:09

[00:29:18] Scott Couch: Okay. And just about a year or so ago, I bought a shed and cleared out all the kids' bikes and everything from that side and opened that up. But it is, Jam packed with stuff. I've got a 52 inch cabinet saw and , an 80 wat laser of, uh, Fullon band saw. And um, and then obviously the Mir saw and everything else.

[: 00:29:40

[00:29:44] Eric Goranson: You need a second story edition over that or something, right, ?

[: 00:29:47

[00:29:59] Scott Couch: [00:30:00] Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, it's a struggle always. That's why actually my CNC and all my epoxy work is all done in my basement. Cause I can't even fit the CNC in.

[: 00:30:10

[00:30:31] Eric Goranson: Set that thing up and if you need to do a bunch of cut parts, that stuff pounds it out.

[: 00:30:37

[00:30:47] Eric Goranson: beat that. Oh man. We'd sit there and it was a big change cuz we had, uh, the one custom shop I was working at, they were doing a kind of a euro frameless cabinet and the guy had a really good idea.

[: 00:30:58

[00:31:16] Eric Goranson: Uh, but wow, that changed everything as far as one yields, cuz we could. You know, we didn't waste anything. You could sit there and optimize a sheet and that thing was big enough that you could literally load up, you know, 16 sheets of plywood or, or particle board or MDF, or whatever we were doing, and it would just pump it out.

[: 00:31:35

[00:31:53] Scott Couch: And the way that it can just use those sheets and just rip through. Produce a cabinet is [00:32:00] ridiculously awesome ,

[: 00:32:03

[00:32:21] Eric Goranson: So we ran into some issues sometimes where we see and seeded out. It was perfect, but we had to always keep into mind that the material, we had to gauge that material before we put it into the saw and optimized it. Cause we needed to make sure how tight it was gonna be. Because many times, three quarter inch plywood is not really three quarters.

[: 00:32:42

[00:32:44] Scott Couch: Sure, Sure. That's what, uh, having a set of caliper next to the CNC is, uh, very vital .

[: 00:32:50

[00:32:52] Scott Couch: absolutely. The epoxy inlaid signs. Uh, sometimes I'll put those on CNC and I'm cutting it, you know, it's all ready to go. And I'm like, [00:33:00] Oh, shoot. I never checked how this is for the final cut.

[: 00:33:04

[00:33:14] Scott Couch: Sure. So I've always been a big Walnut fan. I think everybody, you know, everybody loves Walnut, but as of recently I've been doing a lot of ash stuff.

[: 00:33:22

[00:33:37] Eric Goranson: lately, and it's hard enough that you can work.

[: 00:33:41

[00:33:48] Eric Goranson: It's funny how woods kind of go into style and come outta style. I remember 15 years ago, like in the cabinetry world, 20 years ago maybe Alder was such a huge thing out there, which was [00:34:00] people were using it as the, the cheap man's cherry.

[: 00:34:02

[00:34:19] Scott Couch: Oh, sure, sure. Yeah. You can never, can never get enough.

[: 00:34:22

[00:34:26] Eric Goranson: smells so good when you're working with it too. That's the fun stuff.

[: 00:34:29

[00:34:40] Scott Couch: Cause we used to do so much walnut work.

[: 00:34:43

[00:34:57] Eric Goranson: Do you have any, uh, cool little tricks [00:35:00] for, for fixing wood?

[: 00:35:02

[00:35:19] Scott Couch: Uh oh, yeah. And, and I was actually shocked at how well it. I just kept putting the water, the soaking wet paper towel on there. Mm-hmm. throwing the iron on and letting that heat steam it a little bit. And little by little it came right out. I was actually completely surprised how well it worked.

[: 00:35:37

[00:35:37] Eric Goranson: I've done that too. Um, as long as you've got the finish off of there, it works pretty well. I've also bubbled clear finishes trying it, you know, but, uh Oh, sure. I bet. . You know, so you gotta be careful with that. But yeah, I'd take a same trick. I'd take a q. And really get it wet in there, let it soak in, let it soak in, let it soak in, and then do the wet paper towel and that.

[: 00:35:59

[00:36:04] Scott Couch: Yeah. You know, I, I had seen it on online and things, but I never used it and I was like, alright, you know, I'll try and see what happens. And it was amazing how well it worked. I, I wish I had talked to you before that though. Cause the Q-tip would've been perfect for the size of, uh, the little dent that I had there.

[: 00:36:20

[00:36:37] Eric Goranson: Um, you know, something else, and, and this is something great for you guys out there in our, in our audience, uh, for fixing cabinets and stuff. We had one time a contractor. Had miscommunicated with the husband and put all new kitchen, whole new kitchen in husband said, Hey, this is where I want the handles.

[: 00:36:58

[00:37:17] Eric Goranson: They do the, the restorations and stuff? Yeah. They come in, he came in and fixed that painted kitchen and these were factory finished cabinets. You, we, they moved them, put the hardware on it and had everything pre-drilled ready to go. He came in there and finished it. Airbrush all his little tricks of the trade.

[: 00:37:39

[00:37:55] Eric Goranson: It's

[: 00:37:55

[00:38:11] Eric Goranson: One guy I worked with, he had all these different woods of sawdust, right?

[: 00:38:15

[00:38:36] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. Later on the road, man, you know, you'll see that spot every single time and uh, Sure. I was like, okay, well I've always known to do that with hardwood floors, but I hadn't thought about doing the repair that way. So it was always fascinating to see that

[: 00:38:51

[00:38:58] Scott Couch: Cause at one point in [00:39:00] my woodworking beginnings, somebody said, you know, save different saws. So for a while I had a thing of ash, saw a thing of walnut. And to be honest, I don't know where it is, but. It would be nice to have that and just

[: 00:39:12

[00:39:17] Eric Goranson: What are you doing for tool organization in your shop, man? Is there any, uh, any secrets Cuz you got a tight space and so many people out there have tight spaces. I mean, not, I'm not, I don't have that luxury of having, I mean, this is getting torn down behind me next week. I've got a new system coming in.

[: 00:39:32

[00:39:36] Scott Couch: Sure. So, uh, I actually just ordered a whole bunch of packouts and I'm gonna try, uh, something new. So I've been struggling with, that's like the biggest struggle for me is tool storage and where I keep things in an organization.

[: 00:39:49

[00:39:52] Eric Goranson: And I'll, and I'll laugh and show you this. Um, I have the same thing coming and I'm waiting for UPS to show up. [00:40:00] So, uh, if I, uh, pull open the app on my phone, you can see the. Milwaukee tool thing, and it's all down there. That's all the stuff that's coming. So I gotta nice, I got an eight foot packout system coming back here for me that's, uh, gonna store all my stuff because I'm in the same boat.

[: 00:40:18

[00:40:30] Scott Couch: hard. That's what, So I've been like, I go back and forth all the time. Do I stop working on projects and just tear down the shop and rebuild it up so that it's like semi-organized or do I, you know, bits and pieces.

[: 00:40:42

[00:40:59] Eric Goranson: So, [00:41:00] yeah, I'll let you know how it goes.

[: 00:41:01

[00:41:16] Eric Goranson: So it'll be pretty cool. But, uh, wanna get that organized cuz it's, it's a battle man. And in, and you can be so much more efficient with space if everything has a home that's, that it fits. Oh

[: 00:41:27

[00:41:35] Scott Couch: Cause some half time I'm like, I thought I put that on the shelf. I dunno where it, when, Um, but which, uh, are you doing? So are you doing the new Packout wall? Uh,

[: 00:41:46

[00:41:57] Eric Goranson: And I've got even the, a couple of the [00:42:00] cabinets that hang on the wall coming. So, Okay. I've got the whole system coming, so I'm very curious to see how that's gonna work.

[: 00:42:07

[00:42:15] Scott Couch: Cause like right now I just have a stack of batteries on the end of my bench top, you know? Oh, like that. Pretty much just like you have there.

[: 00:42:20

[00:42:33] Eric Goranson: But I don't need to have that, you know? And of course I'm like everybody else. I try not to ever store 'em on the charger cuz it's never good to have those things plugged in and sitting there, even though they're smart chargers. I just don't trust batteries from brand as a whole. Cuz last thing I'm gonna do is burn the shop down with a bad battery.

[: 00:42:51

[00:42:51] Scott Couch: Right. Yeah. I'm sure you have a couple chargers sitting behind that stack of batteries like I do, don't you?

[: 00:42:56

[00:43:07] Scott Couch: I, I hear that. I got a, a tote fall in the basement ,

[: 00:43:11

[00:43:16] Eric Goranson: I'm like, Hold on, just come by. Gotcha. I'm get it. Come get it, get it. Exactly. Exactly. It's way too many chargers, and, and I can't complain. I get that every tool could be for somebody's first tool. Yep. But yep. If I could check the box and go, Ah, I could not use that charger, I'd be plenty happy. Right. I'll

[: 00:43:37

[00:43:38] Eric Goranson: charger I don't need.

[: 00:43:40

[00:43:57] Scott Couch: Oh yeah, sure. And even just having the battery [00:44:00] platforms, it's amazing how I, I think I have one tool that, like a hand, one handheld tool that is battery or plugin. Now everything else that I have is battery operated.

[: 00:44:12

[00:44:21] Eric Goranson: That I have, that I just haven't, I don't use it enough right. To, to go out and get it. Um, if one shows up on my shelf one day, it shows up on the shelf one day, but I don't, it's not on my priority list to go out. Cuz I use it like every other year or something stupid and I'm like, Oh, I'll get the cos and the mini compressor out and, and do that.

[: 00:44:40

[00:44:56] Scott Couch: oh, sure. Yep. It's, it's crazy how much these batteries [00:45:00] can throw power like that. Um, that's what mine, it's the same way.

[: 00:45:03

[00:45:16] Eric Goranson: Exactly, exactly. So I was gonna ask a drum stander, man. I mean, that's cool. Those are, those are so useful when you are, when you're doing something and trying to get something flat sanded, uh, is that what you're using it for?

[: 00:45:33

[00:45:38] Scott Couch: Uh, so I basically got it for like two reasons. One reason I was building some boxes and I was making spines, and I had a, a kind of a scary accident at the table. Saw. I was trying to cut some thin pieces, Uhhuh, . I was using a sled and somehow when I was pulling it back, it just hit the blade wrong and it threw the piece back into my stomach, bent my Selma weird way.

[: 00:45:59

[00:46:15] Scott Couch: Yeah. You're like, This worked . Yeah. It was awesome. Uh, but anyway, so I was makings and I figured it would be a lot easier on a drum sander to get to that exact, uh, width that you need for the spines. But then mainly was the epoxy projects. So I was taking those and I. I, I always like to over pour the pockets when I do them.

[: 00:46:35

[00:46:55] Scott Couch: But then once I got the drum sander, you know, I'd take, might take similar [00:47:00] amount of time, maybe half the amount of time, but it's way less on my back, bending over my shoulder, moving that sander. Now I can just run it through there and then I can take, so I, I typically just leave like an 80 grid on there and I'll just do it for like a, a rough sand and then goes through with the finished sand, with the random orbit cause.

[: 00:47:19

[00:47:22] Eric Goranson: Dude, I'm all about the easy out there. I'm all about the easy on that because it's, it's brutal. Yeah. I was gonna ask you, um, since neither one of us are sponsored by tool companies, really, what's your favorite track saw out there? Do you have any brands of that? What are you using?

[: 00:47:38

[00:47:57] Eric Goranson: So there you go. There goes to the debate. Right. You don't have [00:48:00] that exactly.

[: 00:48:00

[00:48:02] Scott Couch: Yep. And then so I always, I always left though, when I think about a track saw like that in that aspect, because you see the cordless ones, but you're always connecting it to a vacuum. Anyway, so I take that DeWalt one out and I use the cordless, but it's connected to, has a cord

[: 00:48:22

[00:48:22] Eric Goranson: I haven't thought of that. It's just a, Yeah. That's hilarious. I hadn't even thought of that because I, that's one of probably my next tool purchase is gonna be a tracks saw. But, uh, there's just so many times I've gone, Oh man, I pulled my own, you know, straight edge and clamp it down and do that, and I'm like, Oh, I wish I had a tracks saw for this, but I just haven't created the storage space for it.

[: 00:48:44

[00:48:45] Scott Couch: saw is a game changer. I mean, it's so nice to have, and I will say out of the two that I do have, the DeWalt one is ridiculously powerful and I've talked to other people that have that one. It'll cut through, you know, like two inch hardwood, [00:49:00] single pass and it's running on a battery, I think. I think it might be one of those bigger, like 40 or 60 volt batteries, but it's still.

[: 00:49:08

[00:49:10] Eric Goranson: battery. Yeah, that whole flexible system they have. I got to play with that. Um, it was funny, this was probably six years ago. I was out in New York at my buddy Skip made Dell's house out there and he did catch a contractor and he's always on Fox and friends doing stuff, but he was working with those guys and he got the pre-release of that and I was there when UPS showed up.

[: 00:49:32

[00:49:53] Scott Couch: Oh sure. It's, it's amazing what these battery powered saws can do. I have another, uh, I have a Milwaukee 18. That's what I have, uh, [00:50:00] Mir saw and that thing is like ridiculous.

[: 00:50:04

[00:50:12] Eric Goranson: And then I've. I do have a big, like 12 inch, um, rigid one that gets dusted off every time and it's corded, but I only use it when I need to cut something really big. Sure. And usually it's just sitting in the corner of the, on the shelf in the shed, but that's what it's sitting there for. But, uh, yeah, the, the small stuff like that, when it's easy to handle and move around and I've got the stand for it, it works out pretty good for just doing moldings and trim and that kinda stuff.

[: 00:50:38

[00:50:55] Scott Couch: And it tends to be a lot cleaner .

[: 00:50:57

[00:51:19] Scott Couch: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That was, Do you get a board with any bit of tension in it? And you start cutting it, it pinches that blade. Then there's, there's nothing you can do .

[: 00:51:28

[00:51:43] Scott Couch: Best way to get in touch with me is through Instagram dm. Uh, I'm working on updating my website. You can contact me through my website too, uh, working on updating that. So you can actually just order right through my website. Um, but best way to go through now is through Instagram DM for sure. Cool.

[: 00:51:59

[00:51:59] Eric Goranson: And that [00:52:00] is Get off the couch. Design. Good? Yep. Get

[: 00:52:02

[00:52:04] Eric Goranson: There we go. And, uh, you've got a YouTube channel as well over there, correct?

[: 00:52:08

[00:52:14] Eric Goranson: There we go. All three. Love it. Oh yeah. Love it. All right, brother. Thanks for coming on today.

[: 00:52:20